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On this episode of This vs. That, we dive into the topic of parenting with special guest Melissa Kruger. Join us as we discuss the difference between control and discipleship in parenting and how to navigate the transition as our children grow older. We explore the importance of understanding our own hearts as parents and how to shift from reactive control to proactive discipline. Melissa shares personal stories and insights from her own parenting journey and offers practical advice for raising children who love Jesus and choose what is good. Don't miss this encouraging and thought-provoking conversation on parenting.

She serves as Vice President of Discipleship Programming at the Gospel Coalition. She's the author of many books, including Walking With God in the Season of Motherhood. Her husband Mike, is the president of Reformed Theological Seminary, and they have three children. She writes at Wit's End, hosted by the Gospel Coalition.


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